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    Quote Originally Posted by wannaberich View Post
    well there you go, why would any one use a US broker is beyond me
    Hi wannaberich,

    plz check pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannaberich View Post
    well there you go, why would any one use a US broker is beyond me
    Besides good execution and tech support issues there is a big consideration that your broker will pay you when you make money and wouldn't disappear with your entire account into the blue as some bucket shops do. So I personally prefer FX brokers who do Futures as well, because they are under more regulation already and have better practices. And I like IBs over big companies, cause they offer better tech support
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    And I don't use Russian brokers for instance because I don't have a photograph of mr Putin shaking my hand. This is a minimum requirement of doing biz in Russia for instance. US is more cosmopolitan and you can find pretty much everything - good and bad here in full spectrum. Discretion is advised. If you have something in Australia or Europe, you can find similar in US.
    Last edited by Metatrader7; 07-06-2009 at 20:24.

  3. #73

    Default Beware, Forex Shocker can trade only 1 pair at a time

    It is buggy, Forex Shocker Tech Support confirmed that, but they tried to sound like that is almost the advantage of the EA. The truth is - it makes it unpredictable and you can realistically run only one EA per account. It will interfere with other EAs and with Shocker added to more then 1 pair. They suggest running several intances of MT4 pointing to one account. My broker tech support said it's a no no practice on live account as it will create jams on the broker server side and one of the MT4 instances can be disabled as a result. And it can happen in the middle of the trade.
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    Here is the copy of Forex Shocker Tech support reply word for word. They don't want to fix the bug, they want you to work around See for yourself:
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    Dear Customer,

    Yes, we know about the "Trade Context is busy" error, this happens when
    a several EA's (or just one in many pairs) try to trade at the same
    instant in the same console.

    The wise way to handle this, is to open a second or even a third console
    of MT4 and attach Shocker the following way, for example:
    First MT4 console: EURUSD and GBPUSD
    Second MT4 console: EURGBP and EURCHF
    Third MT4 console: USDCHF and USDCAD

    This way every console will be less overcrowded and the trading
    environment will be more idle. This usually happens because the
    customers cram the MT4 console with many robots (or just one in many
    pairs) that trade with some correlation, and as for Shocker trades two
    hours only, and with pairs correlated (and non-correlated), it can throw
    trades at the same instant

    Please do as we said and this will not be a problem anymore.

    Regards

  4. #74

    Default It can't be fixed

    Tech support explained why it can't be fixed, because this is a scalper with frequent trading. Seems support is fast on replies. So keep that in mind running scalpers like that.
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    Dear Customer,

    We can see that you are using Shocker in the following pairs in the same
    console:
    EURUSD , GBPUSD, USDCHF, EURCHF, EURGBP . That's FIVE pairs trading only
    two hours in the same console This is too much. The probability of
    getting Trade Context Busy, is high because, for pairs which are highly
    correlated as EURUSD and USDCHF will throw trades almost at the same
    instant: for instance buy (for EURUSD), and sell (for USDCHF) plus the
    Order Modify for each pair, and even without mention the other pairs.
    There are some way to get this issue "fixed" (for example
    Error 146 ("Trade context busy") and How to Deal with It - MQL4 Articles ) but they are not fully satisfactory for
    this case, because of the following reasons:
    1) If we apply the fixed code for this issue, many trades will be missed
    as the robot will have to wait until the trade environment is available
    and when it's available the conditions to trade may not be the required.
    2) If the trades are not missed it will trade at a price lower or higher
    than the desired price.
    3) As this is a scalper robot, 2 or 3 pips up or down can make big
    difference.

    Remember, this issue is not about magic numbers, but about the trading
    environment being busy or idle in the same MT4 console.
    You may not get the same error with other EA's like Megadroid or
    FapTurbo because they do not tend to throw trades at the same instant in
    different pairs.
    Then, the best solution, at least for now, is to have a second or even a
    third MT4 console if you want to trade many pairs. This way you will
    considerably diminish the Trade Context Busy.
    However, we will contact to our developers about this.

    Forex Shocker Team
    Last edited by Metatrader7; 07-06-2009 at 18:41.

  5. #75

    Default Reply from my Broker Tech support about ShockerBS

    Here is E-mail reply from Broker support IT:
    The BEST way is to PROPERLY block context error events in the platform as I'm doing on your other tools, by checking Context status before sending to the server. This is a code method issue, more so than over-deployment in your case. I have seen MUCH heavier deployments than you were running.

    What Shocker is suggesting WILL lead to times when the symbols are accidentally crossing over and you WILL end up spamming the server mal-adjusting orders and likely blowing out your connection. I fully advise against this unless we come up with a way to monitor between MT4's, which symbols are in use on which platforms possibly. This of course would be an ugly hack job solution to an otherwise easy fix by the author.

    You should contact the author of Shocker and ask them to simply modify code in a manner that "Tests for TradeContext" BEFORE they engage an order entry or modify. It normally would not take an hour or less to make this change and update as part of their next release.
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    Follow up chatter:

    [1:53 PM] 2103: Mike, Shocker support sais if they do Trade Conext fix, that will put scalper at disadvantage, check my last e-mail
    [1:53 PM] Mike: Bah
    [1:53 PM] Mike: They are ametures
    [1:53 PM] 2103: what do you think?
    [1:54 PM] Mike: you cannot trade a platform which is context locking so it is no difference except that coding it properly will increase the chances an order will place.
    [1:54 PM] Mike: They are "rookies"
    [1:54 PM] 2103: can I quote you on that?
    [1:55 PM] Mike: At the risk of pissing them off, sure. I have 3+ years with our own MT server 5 years in MT4 and 30 years in computer science.
    [1:56 PM] Mike: I think better get shocker reversed by someone who's decompiler will do it and then fix it ourselves if you REALLY like this tool.
    [1:56 PM] Mike: I've wasted enough time with this by now, that I'll fix it for free if you get it reversed.
    [1:57 PM] Mike: We cannot sore like an Eagle if we fly with Turkeys
    [1:57 PM] 2103: nough said, I let you know
    [1:57 PM] Mike: To have your destiny controlled by another locked coder's codes, simply means YOU do not control your own destiny.
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    Shocking saga continuous...
    Last edited by Metatrader7; 07-06-2009 at 19:29.

  6. #76

    Default Break down of Forex Shocker "can't be done reply"

    Here is same E-mail with the line by line response from the IT department. IT responces marked by R: and shows Shocker support shocking technical incompetence:
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    Dear Customer,

    We can see that you are using Shocker in the following pairs in the same
    console:
    EURUSD , GBPUSD, USDCHF, EURCHF, EURGBP . That's FIVE pairs trading only
    two hours in the same console This is too much.
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    R: Hahahahaha We run 10 and 12 symbol scalpers in single platforms PROPERLY configured.
    One simply optimizes the network, machine and MT4 configuration to permit it very simply.
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    The probability of
    getting Trade Context Busy, is high because, for pairs which are highly
    correlated as EURUSD and USDCHF will throw trades almost at the same
    instant: for instance buy (for EURUSD), and sell (for USDCHF) plus the
    Order Modify for each pair, and even without mention the other pairs.
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    R: Above is false. The statistical likelihood of where one symbol will trade versus any other has NOTHING to do between two related symbols. Our entire turn around time per order with 3 full parts of main, SL and TP is 1.5 seconds. I don't care what kind of scalper one has, if it is dependant upon a 1.5 second window it is NOT a responsible trading system and is based upon over-deploying in order to accomplish the goal. It is simply false and Context management can prove this easily.

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    There are some way to get this issue "fixed" (for example
    Error 146 ("Trade context busy") and How to Deal with It - MQL4 Articles ) but they are not fully satisfactory for
    this case, because of the following reasons:
    1) If we apply the fixed code for this issue, many trades will be missed
    as the robot will have to wait until the trade environment is available
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    It must wait on the server anyhow and be enqued so Context is Context. Less context collisions is less wasted cycles = more trade events. Simple math and probabilities.
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    and when it's available the conditions to trade may not be the required.
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    R: Maybe on a poorly configured machine and mt4 running on a slow server. Who trades like that?
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    2) If the trades are not missed it will trade at a price lower or higher than the desired price.
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    R: Yes, possibly by 1.5 seconds, oh boy. Then again there will be 1000 more opportunities to trade per day, available. See the difference?
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    3) As this is a scalper robot, 2 or 3 pips up or down can make big difference.
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    R: Not as much as number of successful trades per day it doesn't.
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    Remember, this issue is not about magic numbers, but about the trading
    environment being busy or idle in the same MT4 console.
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    R: Yes, local system performance of Lan, machine, MT4 and EA. Fix what is broken, don't break something else.
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    You may not get the same error with other EA's like Megadroid or
    FapTurbo because they do not tend to throw trades at the same instant in different pairs.
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    R: Totally invalid comparison. Apples and Oranges. (yuk)
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    Then, the best solution, at least for now, is to have a second or even a
    third MT4 console if you want to trade many pairs. This way you will
    considerably diminish the Trade Context Busy.
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    R: Right, introduce yet more instabilities and chances for error instead of fixing the problem. Bad plan.
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    However, we will contact to our developers about this.
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    R: And I thought we were talking about developers already. WE are!!
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    Last edited by Metatrader7; 07-06-2009 at 20:25.

  7. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannaberich View Post
    Still no losses for me!
    wanna, what pairs do you trade with Shocker ?

    thanks !

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    no losses on ECN demo today. 1 loss on FxOpen on EURUSD - that's the only pair I was running, will add more, too early to say.

    I wasn't running live today, I want it fixed before running live. I mailed Shocker support telling them fix the bug. They are so stubborn to even admit they have the bug.
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    Checking log files in experts>logs I spotted delays of up to few seconds dew to busy Trade context and that can escalate with more experts attached.
    If ForexShockers implement Trade context checking in the code that will slow execution for only 1.5 second but otherwise ensure proper function of any number of EAs running.
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    You can't beat the facts, let shockers know
    Last edited by Metatrader7; 07-06-2009 at 23:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metatrader7 View Post
    no losses on ECN demo today. 1 loss on FxOpen on EURUSD - that's the only pair I was running, will add more, too early to say.

    I wasn't running live today, I want it fixed before running live. I mailed Shocker support telling them fix the bug. They are so stubborn to even admit they have the bug.
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    Checking log files in experts>logs I spotted delays of up to few seconds dew to busy Trade context and that can escalate with more experts attached.
    If ForexShockers implement Trade context checking in the code that will slow execution for only 1.5 second but otherwise ensure proper function of any number of EAs running.
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    You can't beat the facts, let shockers know

    Thx meta, keep us updated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metatrader7 View Post
    I wasn't running live today, I want it fixed before running live. I mailed Shocker support telling them fix the bug. They are so stubborn to even admit they have the bug.
    Heh, I even told them that their anti-piracy "solution" doesn't even work. No response from them however. Not that it matters.... I've been running it unauthenticated on a live account and it's been making profitable trades.

    Shocker may be incompetantly coded, but screw that - it works!

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