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    Quote Originally Posted by droland View Post
    I have been a member of Funyoo's forum for two years. I have no problem that he makes over about $3 million per year from his membership fees by charging $99 per year for each of his approximately 30,000 members in his Elite section (if more or less please advise).

    What I am most upset about is that when Funyoo posts an EA, it seems really good. At least with his original backtest.

    It is a fact that Funyoo posts excellent back tests with the best data possible at the time of his original EA's release.

    HERE THEN BECOMES THE PROBLEM.

    Funyoo then modifiys every EA with about every excellent or BIZARRE contribution from any genius or idiot out there without filter for the crap ideas.

    What is worse, he does not then run the same EA through the same back test that he ran the original EA so we NOW HAVE NO idea how the change relates to the original EA.

    In other words, A does not relate to B does not relate to C does not relate to ......

    FUNYOO. We either need positive input from you for $3 million a year or you need to stop. We need a leader, not a robot. You need to filter the crap and earn your fee.

    I see huge talent in you but your leadership is lacking. How do we address this problem. I do believe in what you are doing but maybe you do need to take a leadership role in how your EA's evolve. You have been really really silent in too many EA troubles. I have seen from the about the latest version 1.10 of some EA, that Funyou has told people to use his original version 1.01. That is crap.

    Here is my recommendation. DON'T PUBLISH ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T SUPPORT.!!

    Your supported version of any EA should only appear on page one of your original forum for that EA. If you really really beliieve that an update is valid, repost it on the first page only after you show its results from a similar backtest that you did for the origianl EA.

    DO NOT POST VERSION AFTER VERSION AFTER VERSION AFTER VERSION throughout your thread that you do not or have not supported. That is just irresponsible.

    Either you believe in the change or you don't. What you support is ON PAGE ONE of your thread, what you do not is in the body of the forum. DOES THAT NOT SEEM REASONABLE??

    Sorry, but you need to earn your huge income. Take responsibility. I have faith in you. You have done some great work. Don't loose faith in yourself.

    With respect

    David R.
    David,

    you are very wrong! Funyoo does not support - he his coding requests not more, not less. what people are doing with new code, its not funyoos to do, must do, or something else. each requestor have to do own back/forward tests.

    therefor, if someone creates a new thread in the elite section, he/she is the leader (sub moderator) and liable for this thread - not funyoo!

    the one and only i see as a "must have" is a version history, with all attached ea's at the first post of the thread.

    and last but not least, there are less then 150 paying people, search the threads you will find always the same persons active, funyoo have to pay for a high performance server, 30.000 members needs some more ressources then a lightweight/cheap vps, and running serveral ea forward tests (server/vps) is also not for free! - in fact i cant see so much income for funyoo - i see a lot of work only!

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    I need to tell that I apreciete very much the work of Funyoo, sometimes verify new things can be very creative.
    The world is empty of useful things invented starting from a mistake, this thing can turn a light on.
    thanks a lot

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    OK. I did what I wanted to do. I wanted to raise awareness with people as I thought this forum was just about dead.

    I wanted input to assess many of the valuable threads (EA threads) that have disapeared (or simply faded into nothingness). Why?? LACK OF YOUR SUPPORT!!

    Where is everyone?? I expected a much bigger anger response. My HELLO echo is really vacant. Why aren't more people mad!!

    I am not mad at Funyoo, I am really pissed off with everyone contributing (NOT CONTRIBUTING) to this forum.

    THAT IS A TRAGEDY!!

    This forum is REALLY REALLY GREAT!! Funyoo's EA's are great. Why aren't more people supporting them. THERE ARE SOME GREAT EA'S HERE!! I AM PERSONALLY MAKING GOOD GoOD PROFITS FROM RSI AM SCALPER!!

    That being said - this forum is not perfect!! Constructive criticism follows:

    I hate having to find that after two or three revisions somewhere in the thread that some bug is fixed that should be included into version 1.00.

    For example , Funyoo produces some EA that seems really good beause one time he runs some backtest that looks good. ISN'T THAT WONDERFUL!!

    From then on he does not accerpt any responsibity and simply changes the EA to whatever the next contributor wants (without backtest)

    Maybe at version 1.04 he finds that there was a bug in the original version that was wrong.

    Does he correct version 1.00 in the original Post, NO! he post's version 1.05 that has MAYBE version 1.01 to 1.04 crap plus the real bug fix of versioN 1.00 into version 1.05 which maybe appears into page 5 of his forum THREAD.

    SORRY. THAT IS NOT RESPONSIBLE.

    If I am running version 1.00 live and I am watching what appears to be Funyoo's original version on his published site (those MT4 publishing sites_ - BUT THAT IS NOT HIS CORRECTED VERSION- What version is it really!!!!

    Page 1 should have the current supported FUNYOO versiion of whatever Funyoo is supporting. If Funnyoo screwed up on the original coding, change it on version 1.00 - NOT inversion 1.07 or whatever after several real or screwaball revisions.

    MAKE SURE THAT VERSION 1.00 OR WHATEVER YOU WANT ON PAGE 1 FRAME ONE IS THE CURRENT REAL VERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ThE Ignorance in the blatant threat of many forum members to me of "Love MY Country or Live It" died in the sixties. If I didn't beleive in what Funyoo is doing I WOULD BE GONE NOW. THAT IS A FACT!!

    I am not gone because I believe in want FUNYOO is doing. HE IS EXCELLENT! But those who are looking for GOD, that is where I say go somewhere else. I love what Funyoo is doing but he does need our input to improve.

    Simply observe and you will perish.

    DR

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    Droland... You haven't raised awareness....all you've done is expose yourself as an ungrateful clueless crybaby trying to justify your demands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillR View Post
    Droland... You haven't raised awareness....all you've done is expose yourself as an ungrateful clueless crybaby trying to justify your demands.
    That was unnecessary

    Quote Originally Posted by droland
    OK. I did what I wanted to do. I wanted to raise awareness with people as I thought this forum was just about dead.

    I wanted input to assess many of the valuable threads (EA threads) that have disapeared (or simply faded into nothingness).......etc
    I dont see droland demanding anything. He has right to his opinion and I respect that, as should we all. By the same token, everyone has the right to request something. Funyoo is clear in the TOC that he is not responsible to complete any request. If he wants do he does, that it. I praise Funyoo for the many many hours he has spent fufilling our requests, as I know he has done so for many of mine, all of which were failures.

    What I would like to see is the people in this forum that can code (I have tought myself mq4l, it is not that hard, really), do not contribute to the forum.

    So why dont all of us programmers handle the random requests on subthreads and leave original threads to Funyoo?

    For example, Funyoo can start a new thread like RSI MA Scalper EA, then if someone wants to add reqests to it they start a new thread called RSI MA Scalper EA request versions. That way coders in the forums can do their bit to help. I am willing, as I am sure that many of the programmers here are willing to help too.

    Can we not give that a shot, and relieve some strain off from Funyoo, he is great coming up with new EAs as it is anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by droland View Post
    I have been a member of Funyoo's forum for two years. I have no problem that he makes over about $3 million per year from his membership fees by charging $99 per year for each of his approximately 30,000 members in his Elite section (if more or less please advise).

    What I am most upset about is that when Funyoo posts an EA, it seems really good. At least with his original backtest.

    It is a fact that Funyoo posts excellent back tests with the best data possible at the time of his original EA's release.

    HERE THEN BECOMES THE PROBLEM.

    Funyoo then modifiys every EA with about every excellent or BIZARRE contribution from any genius or idiot out there without filter for the crap ideas.

    What is worse, he does not then run the same EA through the same back test that he ran the original EA so we NOW HAVE NO idea how the change relates to the original EA.

    In other words, A does not relate to B does not relate to C does not relate to ......

    FUNYOO. We either need positive input from you for $3 million a year or you need to stop. We need a leader, not a robot. You need to filter the crap and earn your fee.

    I see huge talent in you but your leadership is lacking. How do we address this problem. I do believe in what you are doing but maybe you do need to take a leadership role in how your EA's evolve. You have been really really silent in too many EA troubles. I have seen from the about the latest version 1.10 of some EA, that Funyou has told people to use his original version 1.01. That is crap.

    Here is my recommendation. DON'T PUBLISH ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T SUPPORT.!!

    Your supported version of any EA should only appear on page one of your original forum for that EA. If you really really beliieve that an update is valid, repost it on the first page only after you show its results from a similar backtest that you did for the origianl EA.

    DO NOT POST VERSION AFTER VERSION AFTER VERSION AFTER VERSION throughout your thread that you do not or have not supported. That is just irresponsible.

    Either you believe in the change or you don't. What you support is ON PAGE ONE of your thread, what you do not is in the body of the forum. DOES THAT NOT SEEM REASONABLE??

    Sorry, but you need to earn your huge income. Take responsibility. I have faith in you. You have done some great work. Don't loose faith in yourself.

    With respect

    David R.
    Hi droland,

    Thanks for your message,

    If there are 28000 members on this board, they are not all members of the Elite section. No I am not making millions. I would certainly need to live several centuries before to generate a million with this website. There is probably only forexfactory that could claim to have reached a such level in this area (forex trading discussion board).

    I understand your feelings about the requests to code or not. That's a very difficult point. There are currently 420 pending requests. What I can suggest to focus our time and energy on real working strategy is to require a forward test of at least one week with the respective idea/strategy. That's what I should normally ask for every request, however most of the members have not the time to do manual trading. I had created a section called " Real live statements" to develop the automated trading version of the manual methods that generate profits in real mode, but for the moment there is not a lot of threads.

    Concerning the multiple versions, I always try to let the default settings as the original version in order to get the same results with the first optimized settings. When the results differ, most of the time it is due to a major upgrade of my template that I am always improving.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4x4me View Post
    Here are some of my inputs on Elite membership.

    How much funyoo is making from its membership yearly is irrelevant to rating of the forum. My opinion, if I get one good money making ideas/EA/indicators, it is worth the membership that funyoo is charging. It's shouldn't matter how many members sign up for the Elite forum as long as one gets satisfaction out of joining this paid forum. If one feel this paid forum is not for them and not satisfied with the service in general, it's individual's problem and they should take it up with funyoo privately. I am sure funyoo will address the problem.

    Here are some of issues that I've observed since join the Elite site:

    Lack of structure:
    1)Not getting Replies on orderly manner: I would like to know how funyoo select to work on some of the request. It is by request dates? or is it by easiest to hardest to code? or is it by certain types of strategy that interest funyoo? I see many requests/questions by various members, but I don't see any particular fashion when funyoo reply on those requests.
    2) Needs central Location of the files/updates: when/if there's new modification being done, it should be noted on the very first post with new files, but it is not done that way. It is all over the place. It's as simple as just editing the first post with notes what is being add and mod, etc..
    3) Need acknowledgment from funyoo - reply/comments: I see the request being asked and there are no reply for months.. It would be nice if funyoo can post quick reply that it will be done by xx date or it won't be done because of xxxx -- some type of communication. So, that we don't wait and move on.

    Lacks on explanation
    1) funyoo created nice EAs that has potential to make good profit. But, I see it requires optimization needed in order to work on certain types brokers, etc. However, it lacks on how the strategy works. There are no clear note with EA creation, thus, many of us can't utilize the EA where it could have been a dynamite robot.

    Rules are not consistent:
    1)It is funyoo's forum rule that we do not post commercial product. But, I see many commercial products that were posted and still worked on by Funyoo. But, sometime, funyoo red flag it and remove it. So, what is the correct rules? Should it be either all is allowed or none would be allowed? Currently, it's hit or miss...
    If I paid for the product and I want to modified to fit my trading better, I personally don't see a problem. Especially, using commercial indicators to create EA from it, I don't know why it would be an issue. But, whatever reason to create the rules, it should be consistent.

    Funyoo, I am sure all these comments are not the first you heard. I also understand that you are only one and we are many.. If you would like to designate someone as moderator to this forum, that person may help you and help us in order to make this forum to run more successfully. At least, my opinion, someone needs to reply on each thread, so that we know you've read our post and what to expect of you on the requests/questions, etc.

    4x4me
    Hi 4x4me,

    Thanks for your comments,

    Structure :

    1) Well, I try to code everything even if it is not the goal of the Elite section. My priorities are new ideas. I can also do old requests (in my pending list) when someone is insisting.
    2) You just need to click on the attachment picture of the respective thread in the category to know what is the last version.
    3) It can happen when a thread grows too fast. I have then to read each page and do all requests in one time. I cant' say when a code will be done, there is too many expert advisors to modify/create. On the long term, I will do all of them. I believe in diversification to determine the best trading systems.

    Explanation :

    I always describe the strategy. I don't see how I could do more.

    Consistent :

    I don't know all the commercial EAs and indicators sold on the web. It can take some time before I get the information and I remove the attachments. I can't work on these products due to copyrights. You have to contact the original author to modify them or a professional coder with the agreement of the author.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funyoo View Post
    Hi 4x4me,

    Thanks for your comments,

    Structure :

    1) Well, I try to code everything even if it is not the goal of the Elite section. My priorities are new ideas. I can also do old requests (in my pending list) when someone is insisting.
    2) You just need to click on the attachment picture of the respective thread in the category to know what is the last version.
    3) It can happen when a thread grows too fast. I have then to read each page and do all requests in one time. I cant' say when a code will be done, there is too many expert advisors to modify/create. On the long term, I will do all of them. I believe in diversification to determine the best trading systems.

    Explanation :

    I always describe the strategy. I don't see how I could do more.

    Consistent :

    I don't know all the commercial EAs and indicators sold on the web. It can take some time before I get the information and I remove the attachments. I can't work on these products due to copyrights. You have to contact the original author to modify them or a professional coder with the agreement of the author.
    Thanks for the reply. As always, I appreciate all you do...

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    Hey Funyoo.

    If you send me a PM of the list of pending EAs I will do my bit to help

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    Compare with other paid subcription forum, this forum very good and Funyoo great man !
    we can easily learning coding from here and friendly support
    Some time delay may be he burden work or critical coding.. thats no problem
    Funyoo please continue your good support

    thank you

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